Choice of permit aircraft

[barne_as]

Im looking to purchase my first plane and require the following:

- 2 seats
- 100knt + cruise speed
- below £20,000
- capable of touring

Ive been thinking of a europa but cant seem to find one under my budget, anybody got any ideas?

[mike newall]

100kts is not necessary.

Let's be practical.

Under £20,000 - we are into Aeronca, Piper, Jodel, Cessna, Luscombe, Emeraude territory.

Best compromise - Emeraude.

Most practical - Champ

Better performance - Cessna 120

Are you a midget ? - Jodel or Luscombe

Last desperate effort - Cub

But hey - I'm biased !

[barne_as]

Under £20,000 - we are into Aeronca, Piper, Jodel, Cessna, Luscombe, Emeraude territory.

I was looking for a permit type to keep the costs down, is it possible to keep a cessna or piper on a permit then?

[David Hardaker]

Mike
If speed isn't necessary, why are you building an RV7 ??

signed
The Phantom Midget Jodeller

[Rich Valler]

barne_as you seem to have been asking the same or similar questions for the last year or so, in other fora, and received many constructive responses; I doubt that the answers you will get here will be any different, or enlighten you further. I am however delighted to see your budget has effectively doubled in that time, credit crunch notwithstanding.

My suggestion on another forum to you as a new PPL was, and remains, to join a group (I pm'd you details of a local LAA tourer group with a share available) and get some hours in before you decide where your aviating path will lead, and before embarking on sole ownership which is harder than you may expect (there are, however, compensations).

In answer to your second question ..... yes: Piper made Vagabonds and Cubs of which there are numerous examples flying on LAA Permits, and some Cessna 120s are operated on Permits. However, under the current rules no more are allowed to be issued with initial permits, so only existing UK examples can be operated on LAA permits.

[David Hardaker]

Barne_as
Mike loves his Champs, much as I take the same view about Jodels.
There are still Jodels to be had, 90 horspower 2-seat ones being what you sound to be after.
You will do 95 knots in a D117, have electric start, and good stol capability, and excellent pilot visibility.
4.5 gph is what it will burn. Crosswinds no real problem.
ALL the aircraft you mention are tailwheelers, so if you've not sampled the delights of tailwheel operation you're in for a treat ! The LAA Coaching scheme can help you on that one.
Best of luck !
dh

[mike newall]

The RV is the ultimate goal of a long hard road of other, interesting types.

It is a £60,000 permit aeroplane so doesn't qualify here

I can't fit into Jodels, they are for Druids and Frenchmen and strange Yarksheermen !

Hey, got my Phase 6/Heron out of the loft this week, it may yet fly !

[ffg]

Phase 6 - that takes me back...

Someone told me Chris Foss was building an RV8 - anyone in touch with him?

[mike newall]

If he is building an RV8..........

There is an RV8 registered to a Chris Foss - G-CDDY.

Hopefully he is enjoying his aeroplane

[Rob Swain]

Are you a midget ? - Jodel or Luscombe

Can't comment on the Jodel, never flown one.

Luscombe? Midget?
To be fair, if you are very long in the leg then it might not be comfy if you are flying well in excess of 2 hours.
However, I'm 6 foot tall and shortish of leg, hence long in the seat to top of head dept. I found the Luscombe very comfortable with bags of headroom (more than an RV7, and my 6 ).

And before anybody else says it - I'm not an Orang-Utang!