Rand KR-1

Mike Mold · Post by **Mike Mold** » Wed Sep 30, 2009 8:52 am

To get a true perspective on the KR1 look at http://www.krnet.org/index.html for the relative numbers of KR1 vs KR2 that are listed by Mark Langford in America. I'm sure the original performance specs were unrealistic and I doubt you'd get approval from LAA Engineering if you wanted to rely on KR1 flying time & experience from the USA.

Will Greenwood · Post by **Will Greenwood** » Wed Sep 30, 2009 4:10 pm

You could also have a look at the Sonerai 1, look up G-BJBM on G-info for a picture, and google for performance on the VW.

Will.

shangalaing · Post by **shangalaing** » Wed Sep 30, 2009 4:50 pm

So is there a particular reason why the KR-1 isn't permittable? I didn't realise there was a Sonerai 1 in this country! Is there a Wittman V-witt hiding here too!?

Ian Melville · Post by **Ian Melville** » Wed Sep 30, 2009 10:13 pm

Matt
Mike said

I doubt you'd get approval from LAA Engineering if you wanted to rely on KR1 flying time & experience from the USA

He did not say it wouldn't get approval. If you are willing to undertake the stress testing and/or analysis then you could possibly get approval. I would be supprised if some modification was not required as the US experimantal class is not as stringent as CS-VLA.

You first move would be to talk to FD

Mike Mold · Post by **Mike Mold** » Wed Sep 30, 2009 10:15 pm

<So is there a particular reason why the KR-1 isn't permittable?>

Ken Rand was only 5ft 4in tall. That might have something to do with why no one in the UK has started the approval process. And by the time the KR2 was developed, those builders who were interested, realised that the -2 was only a little extra work.

shangalaing · Post by **shangalaing** » Wed Sep 30, 2009 10:26 pm

5ft4!!!... oh dear, from the pictures I've seen he doesn't have at least 4 inches of headroom (except for the open cockpit version

) Maybe I will investigate another design, waiting on a response from FD first though.
Thanks for everyones help, Matt.

macconnacher · Post by **macconnacher** » Thu Oct 01, 2009 12:46 pm

If you want a good single seater with a vw engine and you want a canopy and not a biplane then look at the following:
Corby Starlet http://www.laa-archive.org.uk/photo/1000874/

Taylor Monoplane
http://www.laa-archive.org.uk/photo/1001279/

Brugger Colibri http://www.laa-archive.org.uk/photo/1001201/

Nicolier Menestrel I not appproved but some flying in France so might qualify to be accepted by LAA
see http://www.laa-archive.org.uk/photo/1000054/

Stuart

Bill McCarthy · Post by **Bill McCarthy** » Thu Oct 01, 2009 1:42 pm

A Jodel D9 in good condition is very hard to beat - reasonable turn of speed and very stable. I would build one if I had the time.

J.C. · Post by **J.C.** » Tue Oct 06, 2009 11:53 am

There is a kr1 in this country languishing in the back of a hangar covered in dust.I know for a fact that F. D. would like to see it fly.
Pm me for tel.no. It will need extensive work for a permit.