Heavier Types on a LAA Permit To Fly

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Harv
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Heavier Types on a LAA Permit To Fly

Post by Harv » Wed Jan 19, 2011 12:41 pm

Morning all

I read some time ago that heavier more powerful A/C (Yaks etc) were possibly going to be granted their 'permits to fly' through the LAA.

Does anyone have any updates on the criteria they must meet (weight and power limits) and when applications can start to be submitted and to whom?

Regards

Martin

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Post by Brian Hope » Sat Jan 22, 2011 7:49 am

Hi Martin, I'm afraid that is on hold at the moment because changes are necessary within CAA policy for it to be permitted on a 'routine' basis. However, individual requests can be made, and have indeed been allowed in the past.

nickstone
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Heavy Types on Permit

Post by nickstone » Tue Jan 25, 2011 1:09 pm

Martin
Individual request can infact be made to the LAA by members who will approach the CAA. Having made a request as to the possibility of transferring a Soko Kraguj on to the LAA permit some years ago, I was given great support and help to achieve this by the engineering team.
There are now two Soko Kragujs on the LAA register.Looking at there specification they are far outside the normal limits of the LAA.
Engineering have to ensure that any aircraft that is transferred on to an LAA permit can be operated and maintained safely within the LAA engineering and inspection system. In the case of an ex military aircraft this looks at its safety record in service. If the aircraft is already in the CAA system this has already been looked at as part of the CAA permit to fly.
It is important to note that at annual inspection time your inspector may be presented with an aircraft that he feels is outside his scope although he may be cleared for all types and all engines. Former eastern block military aircraft like the Kraguj and YAK 52 are not complex, they just need experience on the type to understand there some time odd systems and keep then in airworthy order.
However there are many very experienced LAA inspectors and LAEs out there would happily work on these aircraft.
Inspectors that are not LAEs that work on types such as the Kraguj have been given letters of authorisation by the chief inspector further to there normal coverage to take the type differnces into account when carrying out annual inspections for permit renewals.
The potential introduction of the heaver types such as the YAK and other such exotic aircraft to the LAA register, will Im sure be welcomed by the LAA, however the engineering department have to be sure that they can administer them in a safe environment as they become part of the already very diverse LAA fleet.

Harv
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Post by Harv » Thu Jan 27, 2011 7:34 am

Thanks for your replies

Ok then this will need to be an individual request. I was concerned that 3086 lb MTOW and 285hp would be well outside the allowable limits but from a quick check it seems the Soko Karguj has more hp and very similar weight and would be a good case in point to quote if we had a negative response.

The CAA already have the a/c in question on their permits to fly so that helps and in this country at least we have (at the moment) an exemplary safety record.

Rgs
Martin
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