Peter G: I am only refering to the present position, not what may/may not come from the EASA FCL consultation.
However, EASA FCL is only addressing limitations on pilots, not on limitations put by the ANO on aircraft with UK permits. I think EASA are quite some way from addressing those, as with Annex II, but maybe someone knows better!
Steve B quotes the relevent ANO clauses which, IMHO, make it clear that the limitations on an aircraft required to fly in accordance with VFR are a lot less than the requirements on a pilot limited to VFR.
The principal differences to my flying are due to the privileges of my current valid IMCR enabling me to fly IFR in Class D-G airspace, and the fact that my aircraft is fully equipped with certified instruments and avionics. There's still a lot of push to get some kind of succesor to the IMCR, even if it only amounts to 'grandfathering' IMC privileges to current holders, which, after all, are only valid in the UK and CIs. Of course, an IR pilot is not affected by the IMCR situation.
Mike.
Permit a/c, IFR and Night Flying - Straw poll and thoughts
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Interesting..as the poll stands at the moment,it adds up to 98%.One person has voted for Night,which represents 3% within that total,therefor two thirds of one person has voted for some thing that isn't listed!
Aren't statistics wonderfull? You can prove statisically that most people in England have too many legs.Most have two,but because of amputees some do not.No -one has more than two so the average becomes less than two.Ergo the average person has more than the national average number of legs.Q.E.D.
Aren't statistics wonderfull? You can prove statisically that most people in England have too many legs.Most have two,but because of amputees some do not.No -one has more than two so the average becomes less than two.Ergo the average person has more than the national average number of legs.Q.E.D.
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bertdeleporte
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Hello,
the discussion on legal aspects, CofA and PtF is interresting, but I belive the main point in the poll is the risk assessment. By now, more people have enough faith in their a/c to undertake IFR or night VFR with their machines, which mean for me they do belive they can safely fly from A to B with very, very limited risk to have to stop in between...
I think the pilot-owner of a machine is a better guarentee of maintenance; in case of trouble, he will be the first in trouble. anyhow, for rental, the survey by a independant party is a unvoidable path, to make sure nobody will expose other's live for mony questions. the CofA is the best way in this case to offer the technical reliability: know sub-system with tracked manufacturing-fail records and analysis, the system make sense.
Bertrand
the discussion on legal aspects, CofA and PtF is interresting, but I belive the main point in the poll is the risk assessment. By now, more people have enough faith in their a/c to undertake IFR or night VFR with their machines, which mean for me they do belive they can safely fly from A to B with very, very limited risk to have to stop in between...
I think the pilot-owner of a machine is a better guarentee of maintenance; in case of trouble, he will be the first in trouble. anyhow, for rental, the survey by a independant party is a unvoidable path, to make sure nobody will expose other's live for mony questions. the CofA is the best way in this case to offer the technical reliability: know sub-system with tracked manufacturing-fail records and analysis, the system make sense.
Bertrand
In theory bertdeleporte is correct,but unfortuneatly it is NOT the CAA who actually carry out the work. I spent many years working for M3 approved orgaisations and the standards were nowhere near as good as most permit aircraft(given that there are exceptions to every rule).
The irony is that most CofA owners have a chip on their shoulders believing that they operate in a safer environment and that we are the cowboys.
30 years of aicraft maintainance and private ownership prove to me that the opposite is true and modern permit homebuilds are in most cases equal to ,or better than , Cof A aircraft in terms of capability.
The irony is that most CofA owners have a chip on their shoulders believing that they operate in a safer environment and that we are the cowboys.
30 years of aicraft maintainance and private ownership prove to me that the opposite is true and modern permit homebuilds are in most cases equal to ,or better than , Cof A aircraft in terms of capability.
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bertdeleporte
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OK folks,
I reconsider the wording: CofA is THEORICALLY the best way...
We do not live in a perfect world, I don't belive an inspection (boring and expensive, otherwise, no point doing it...) is the best way to improve safety, but the insurance mates feel happy, and you have belt and braces in cas of trouble.
It does not prevent you having trouble, you just have a happy widow
To come back to original subject, I am interrested to see how many pilots think their machine is reliable enough to go in the dark or in clouds.
Bertrand
I reconsider the wording: CofA is THEORICALLY the best way...
We do not live in a perfect world, I don't belive an inspection (boring and expensive, otherwise, no point doing it...) is the best way to improve safety, but the insurance mates feel happy, and you have belt and braces in cas of trouble.
It does not prevent you having trouble, you just have a happy widow
To come back to original subject, I am interrested to see how many pilots think their machine is reliable enough to go in the dark or in clouds.
Bertrand
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Personally I would like to see Day/Night VFR to start with, I would love to be able to fly at night with a LAA aircraft providing it has a sensible instrument panel. One poll which might give a better clue on the suitability is, for example.
1 Does your aircraft have a A/H and DI
2 Does it have light, cockpit, navigation and landing
3 Does it carry a Transponder
4 Battery and generator fitted
ETC ETC,
That way you would get a theoretical idea on what types have what instruments in them...well you get the idea. We could spend all day arguing this and that, but who is going to be the one brave enough to say which types are suited for Night/IMC, don't expect LAA Engineering to get there heads shot off over this one, anyone from the CAA care to comment!!
Regards Will.
1 Does your aircraft have a A/H and DI
2 Does it have light, cockpit, navigation and landing
3 Does it carry a Transponder
4 Battery and generator fitted
ETC ETC,
That way you would get a theoretical idea on what types have what instruments in them...well you get the idea. We could spend all day arguing this and that, but who is going to be the one brave enough to say which types are suited for Night/IMC, don't expect LAA Engineering to get there heads shot off over this one, anyone from the CAA care to comment!!
Regards Will.