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Re: Farnborough Controlled Airspace

Post by Chris Martyr » Mon Apr 14, 2014 3:25 pm

Brian Hope wrote:To use their provided method for response, you may confine it to “Leave feedback for PART E” and answer as many or few of the questions as you wish, or confine your response to “Additional Comments” at the end. You will see that this enables you to attach a pre-prepared statement.
Nice one Brian ! Keeping that in mind will make it a whole lot easier for us mere mortals to take this matter forward in the knowledge that it will actually be received and acknowledged , rather than have TAG discard ones input for having 'administrative errors' .

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Re: Farnborough Controlled Airspace

Post by Brian Hope » Tue Apr 15, 2014 10:09 pm

I have also now received a note from John Brady who has gone through the TAG document and comes up with the following advice:

Farnborough Airspace – Action Required by 2 May 2014

The March issue of the LAA magazine ‘Light Aviation’ contained an article setting out the Class D controlled airspace proposed for Farnborough. This covers a very wide area, which is currently busy with all forms of GA, but Farnborough’s own traffic forms but a small proportion of this. In particular, the proposed CTR, from ground up to the Class A TMA, sits across the two very busy transit routes, N-S west of Heathrow and E-W between Heathrow and Gatwick, and a radio mandatory zone completely prevents use of the E-W route by non-radio aircraft.

The LAA will submit (and publish) a comprehensive technical objection but individual responses are needed f we are to succeed.

It is very important that you object to the proposal by TAG Farnborough (if indeed you do)

Serious reasons for objection include:

• TAG says the CAS is needed for a forecast doubling of Farnborough traffic levels but no justification given – this is entirely made up to suit their argument.
• Their traffic is entirely bizjet, with only an average of 2.5 passengers per flight. Far more people use the area in light aircraft and gliders and it is unreasonable to move them aside and give the whole area over to a small minority to use.
• No proper facts have been given of the total current volume and pattern of use of the airspace, nor the forecast effect of the proposed CAS on both safety and restriction of use.
• Crossing clearances will be limited by both the new SERA rules for VFR flight in Class D airspace and increase in Farnborough’s own traffic for which this CAS is sought.
• The new rules coming into force later this year require VFR traffic to be 1000ft and 1500m clear of cloud in Class D, which effectively precludes crossing when cloud base is below 2500ft - very common.
• All practicable avoidance routes give serious safety concerns, particularly that Lasham gliding site, one of the busiest in the world is just to the West of the CTR and there is only a very narrow gap between the Farnborough and Gatwick zones through which much traffic will be funnelled.
• Outside the CTR, a large area of CAS is proposed which substantially lowers the current base of CAS, again reducing the available Class G airspace thus increasing traffic density.
• The proposal would isolate the south-east of England and Europe from access by VFR GA in the rest of England.

Even if you live far away from this area, you should lodge your objection as this proposal could set a precedent for airspace grab by other airports.

The full consultation is at www.consultation.tagfarnbroughairport.com but detail on how to respond is not clear. We recommend you follow this procedure:

1. Go to the TAG website and click on view consultation and leave feedback
2. Scroll down to Part E which is the technical aviation section and either download the VFR chart or see the copy on Page 16 of the LAA magazine.
3. Write your views on this either in a document or email.
4. Click on Leave feedback for Part E and scroll down to Additional Comments near the end.
5. Cut and paste your comments into the Additional Comments box or you can upload a whole document using the browse button.
6. You may then like to go through the 17 questions in this section and give your view before inserting your details and the verification code and submitting.

That is the main aviation section but you may like to comment on the others:
Part B - Proposed changes below 4,000ft in the vicinity of Farnborough Airport.
Part C - Proposed changes between 4,000ft and 7,000ft further away from Farnborough Airport.
Part D - Proposed changes between 2,500ft and 7,000ft in the vicinity of Southampton and Bournemouth.

Note that your objection is not limited to the format given; they will accept any form of written objection.

This is really important so please ACT NOW and respond before 2 May!
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Re: Farnborough Controlled Airspace

Post by tnowak » Wed Apr 16, 2014 8:43 am

Additionally, found this on the Flyer GA forum regarding the Farnborough ACP:
"WLAC have in produced a document that is very informative and exhaustive. I urge all concerned to read it and to think of using it when making your individual responses.

http://www.wlac.co.uk/documents/tagproposal.pdf

A very good summary of all that is wrong with the ACP from a GA perspective.

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Re: Farnborough Controlled Airspace

Post by Tom Beck » Fri Apr 18, 2014 7:49 pm

It has become apparent over the last few days that having submitted a response to the Farnborough ACP and having received the 'Thank you message' on the last page of the website that this message alone means nothing.

Unless you personally receive a confirmation email from Farnborough acknowledging receipt, a copy of your response and a Unique Reference number, TAG will claim that they have no record of your input.

As far as SGC are concerned, half of our members, around 25 people to date, have never received the email and are having to resubmit the response until an email is received.

We have complained to the the CAA over this issue and they claim that there is no fault with the TAG website or the process involved.

Please ensure that a copy of your response is sent to the CAA/LAA/BGA or as some of our members are choosing to do, send your response by registered post.
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Re: Farnborough Controlled Airspace

Post by Brian Hope » Sun Apr 20, 2014 8:12 am

There sometimes seems to be a lot of hassle with flying, always something to renew - permit, medical, biennial, insurance, even without the likes of Farnborough trying to steal our right to fly freely through airspace they want to reserve for their handful of wealthy clients. On a cold winter's day you can wonder why we do it, but on a lovely spring day like yesterday as you fly off to a fly-in you realise that the hassle fades into irrelevance as you enjoy the simple pleasures of flight and friendship.
Well done Wessex Strut on a successful Henstridge fly-in, 90 odd visitors, a warm and friendly atmosphere despite a rather chill breeze, and a sunny flight there and back.
Came down past Farnborough as it happens, every Tom, Dick and Harry talking to them regardless of whether they were anywhere near, had I wanted to speak to them I'd have had a job getting a word in edgeways. Just dialled in the listening squawk and continued on my way and let 'Goodwood to Goodwood via Cowes' tell the world his life story. I'm sure instructors these days teach students that if they don't talk to somebody at least once every ten minutes, the wings will drop off.
Nice run back to Kent along the south coast past Bournemouth and through the Solent, the expected glider traffic from Lee never materialised and the Isle of Wight glistened like a jewel in the afternoon sunshine. Plenty of yachties enjoying the breeze too - magic.
Don't let the bug***s grind you down, fill out that Farnborough consultation now and promise yourself you are going to do more flying this season than you did last!
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Re: Farnborough Controlled Airspace

Post by Ian Melville » Sun Apr 20, 2014 9:39 am

Where is the like button :D

Did mine yesterday.
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Re: Farnborough Controlled Airspace

Post by James Chan » Mon Apr 21, 2014 10:25 am

I've read a number of responses across various forums and emails.

My observation is that some of these responses do not explain in enough detail or reasoning why they cannot or do not wish to fly through Class D airspace. Some are looking at the Class D as if it were Class A.

This may be something TAG may use to present to the CAA?
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Re: Farnborough Controlled Airspace

Post by Alan Kilbride » Mon Apr 21, 2014 6:50 pm

But it isn't class D......................yet.
Is there anyone naïve enough to believe there will be little disruption?
The whole application is a pigs ear. How would any low houred PPL negotiate Airspace that has been deliberately made complicated just to allow 2-2.5 pax per aircraft on 20 flights a day to have sole access to airspace that once was available to all.
A darn sight more than 20 flights a day with more pax too. :evil:
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Re: Farnborough Controlled Airspace

Post by mikehallam » Mon Apr 21, 2014 7:17 pm

I liken the attempted grab to the theft in the 1800's (?) by the wealthy classes of the people's Common Land.
By contrast, Gatwick safely manages a real amount of traffic with a very small footprint.

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Re: Farnborough Controlled Airspace

Post by tnowak » Tue Apr 22, 2014 8:29 am

What is the recommended e-mail address/postal address for sending copies of objections to the CAA? Am sure I saw that info somewhere, but can't find it now.

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Re: Farnborough Controlled Airspace

Post by Tom Beck » Tue Apr 22, 2014 2:55 pm

Jim Walker is a secretary on the staff of the Director of Airspace Policy. [email protected]
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Re: Farnborough Controlled Airspace

Post by Tom Beck » Wed Apr 23, 2014 8:55 pm

Farnborough ACP consultation extended due to reported problems. It's extended to 10:00 on 12 May 2014. Ref http://www.consultation.tagfarnborough. ... extension/
Please send your response in ASAP. Every vote counts.
Class G airspace belongs to all of us
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Re: Farnborough Controlled Airspace

Post by John Price » Tue May 06, 2014 5:59 pm

Hi All,

Just a quick reminder to all those that haven't sent in a response. There are only 3 days left.

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Re: Farnborough Controlled Airspace

Post by James Chan » Mon May 12, 2014 4:48 pm

All done.

Now that the consultation has closed, my gut feel is that Farnborough may get a CTR and maybe one or two surrounding CTAs to connect it with the LTMA.

But if the CAA were to grant ALL the airspace Farnborough wants, including those Class A fillets, then it would be an absolute shocker.
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Re: Farnborough Controlled Airspace

Post by Tom Beck » Thu Aug 28, 2014 12:54 pm

After the much delayed and long awaited Feedback Report Part A, it will now be available to view and download from the TAG Farnborough Airport Airspace Change Proposal website at the following link – www.consultation.tagfarnborough.com - from 0900 on Friday 29th August.
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