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Post by Tom Sheppard » Wed Feb 29, 2012 5:18 pm

This means that permit aircraft with an LAA PtF and a Certificate of Validity in force can visit France for up to 28 days at a time without prior authorisation. Hooray! Well done and thanks to those souls who worked to get this arrangement on our behalf.

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Translation

Post by Graham Clark » Wed Feb 29, 2012 6:21 pm

Decree of ( )

Relating to the operation in France of aircraft registered in the United Kingdom and being in possession of a laissez-passer ('Permit to Fly')

NOR : DEVA1201924A

The Ministry of Ecology, Sustainable Development, Transport and Accommodation

Further to "Le Code des Transports" (French Transport Regulations), specifically articles L6211-1, and L.6412-1;

Further to "Le Code de l’Aviation Civile” (French Civil Aviation Regulations), specifically articles R131-6, and D. 510-7;

Further to the decree of 24 July 1991 as modified and relating to the general conditions of operation for civil aircraft;
Further to the decree of 12 September 2003 as modified and relating to the Certificate of Airworthiness (CDNR) for which there is no Type Certificate Holder; and
Further to the decree of 28 February 2006 as modified relating to aircraft (CNRAV) for vintage and historic aircraft:

Decree

Article 1
Aircraft registered in the United Kingdom for which a Permit to Fly has been issued by the UK CAA are permitted to fly in France without need for prior permission from the French Civil Aviation Authority, provided they comply with the following requirements:


(a) A type certificate or an individual certificate meeting the requirements of Annex 8 of the Chicago Convention has been issued to such an aircraft, by a European Community Member State, or by a third country European state, participating in the Chicago Convention, and which has signed agreements with the European Union as a result of which it has adopted and applies community law in the domain covered by the regulation (CE) n°216/2008 of the European Parliament and the Council of 20th February 2008 as amended, and by its rules of application;
(b) The aircraft was constructed by a manufacturer, authorised by the former holder of the type certificate;
(c) The Permit to Fly issued by the CAA-UK and the Certificate of Validity issued by the CAA-UK or the Light Aircraft Association (LAA) are valid at the date of entry into French territory and until the date of exit from French territory.


Article 2
The minister responsible for civil aviation will maintain an up to date list of aircraft types registered in the United Kingdom and accepted under the provisions of Article 1.

Article 3
Excluded from this authorisation are ex-military aircraft, gyroplanes and aircraft whose airworthiness documents carry endorsements of temporary validity or for test flying, such as " temporary permit to fly" or " permit to fly for test". An application must be made for such aircraft prior to entering French airspace.


Article 4
Aircraft entering French airspace under the provisions of Article 1 are operated exclusively within the limitations imposed by the UK Permit to Fly and are subject in France to the following restrictions:

(a) The aircraft will not be used for public transport as defined in s article L6412-1 of the French transport regulations, or for commercial local flights as defined by article D510-7 of the French civil aviation regulations, and known as "Baptême de l’air" (first flight) ;
(b) The aircraft will not be used for aerial work as defined by the Annex to the French Order of 24 July 1991 and relating to the use of aircraft in general aviation;
(c) The aeroplane may only be operated for non-commercial flights;
(d) The aircraft may not be used for training student pilots;
(e) The aircraft may only be flown by day and under VFR conditions;
(f) Each visit to the French territory is limited to a maximum period of 28 consecutive days, unless specifically authorised by the minister responsible for civil aviation.

Article 5
The director of Civil Aviation Security is charged with implementation of this decree, which will be published in the Journal Officiel of the Republic of France.





Signed in Paris, on xx month 2012

For the Minister and delegated to
The Director of Civil Aviation Security

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Post by Jeremy Liber » Fri Mar 02, 2012 1:42 pm

Excellent news and timely as Spring is sprung.

Thanks to those who worked to make it happen and thanks to Graham for using his fine translations skills for us.

Jeremy

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Post by ChampChump » Mon Mar 05, 2012 12:27 am

Magnifique! On est tres heureuse. Merci a tous. 8) :lol: :)





Yes, I know I've omitted accents, but the only way I know to do them will not work when posting.
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Post by Dave Hall » Wed Mar 07, 2012 1:11 am

Très?
They're easily done with the Alt key + 3 or 4 digits, depending on the letter and accent.

See http://french.about.com/od/writing/ss/typeaccents_7.htm for the list.
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Post by Nigel Hitchman » Wed Mar 07, 2012 2:20 pm

This is great news, there are a few things that are unclear though, they are probably taken care of in a sensible way, but you never know!

1. the document doesnt mention homebuilt aircraft, these were already approved, presumably there is no change in that, I cant remember if there were any time restrictions before, probably the same. Im guessing that "Further to the decree of 28 Feb 2006" is actually the permission for homebuilts, being added to for vintage and historic aircraft.

2. Presumably the list of factory built types will cover some of the ex military aircraft that shouldnt be excluded!
For example Im sure the intention isnt to exclude Piper L-4 Cubs and ex military Austers or even Nord NC856s?

Now we need to start on the Belgians!

thanks to all involved

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Post by Brian Hope » Wed Mar 07, 2012 10:45 pm

Hi Nigel, 'ex military' in thos context means aircraft designed specifically for the miltary that have not had a civilian type certificate, so Cubs incl L4, Austers and even Chipmunks should be OK. The number of LAA aircraft affected should be very very small.
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Post by mikehallam » Sat Mar 24, 2012 9:48 am

'Borrowed' from the Flyer Forum last Thursday !

SHOCK/HORROR Brian ?
mike hallam.

"Has anyone heard of a large scale reduction of customs presence at french airfields?
On a visit to Cherboug today, wsempson and I were given a list of french airfield from which customs facilities were withdrawn wef 6/12/2011 - and another list where customs will be withdrawn "soon". This means that you can no longer fly direct from the UK to these airfields. You have to land somewhere else in France to clear customs.

It would be very useful if any of our French forumites could advise whether this is true or not, or has anything else been discussed in the French press?

The following airfields (according to the official paper) had their customs facilities removed from 6/12/2011 :
Meaux-Esbly
Pontoise -Corrmeilles-en Vexin
Toussus Le Noble
Valenciennes-Denaine
Nancy - Essen
Pontarlier
Reims-Champagne
Saint-Yan
Vesoul-Frotey
Courcheval
Megeve
Roanne-Renaison
Valence-Chabeuil
Gap-Tallard
Albi-le-Sequestre
Cahors-Lalbenque
Castres-Mazamet
Bourges
Dieppe-St-Aubin
Granville
Morlaix-Ploujean
Quimper-Plughaffen

The following airfields are listed as having been earmarked to have their customs facilities removed "soon" (by summer 2012). I assume some sort of consultation process is in process.
Amiens-Glisy
Abbeville
Calais-Dunkerque
Montbeliard-Courcelles
Besancon-La-Veze
Colmar-Houssen
Nevers-Fourchambault
Epinal-Mirecourt
Auxerre-Branches
Vichy-Charmeil
Annemasse
Le Castellet
Agen-La Garenne
Lannion
Laval-Entrammes
Rouen-Vallee de Seine
Orleans-ST-Denis-De-Hotel

Is it just me - or is it pretty much only UK pilots that will be affected by this - as almost all of the rest of Europe is inside the Schengen area. Only the UK is outside Schengen - and therefore only UK pilots need to clear customs into France."

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Post by Rod1 » Sat Mar 24, 2012 7:35 pm

“pretty much only UK pilots that will be affected by this”

And the Europeans that visit us… :wink:

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Post by ChampChump » Sat Mar 31, 2012 11:55 pm

Très?
They're easily done with the Alt key + 3 or 4 digits, depending on the letter and accent.
Not when I'm posting on a thread it isn't, for me, anyway . I'm well aware of it otherwise but thought I might be allowed some latitude....

But I'm much more concerned by the Customs news. With more than the usual number of escapees from the UK this summer, Le Touquet might not be able to cope, even if some of us could persuade ourselves to go there.

There are some interesting thoughts on the Flyer thread.
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