Sherburn

Brian Hope · Post by **Brian Hope** » Mon Aug 10, 2009 5:30 pm

Alan, apologies for not getting your name, was confused and thought your surname was double barrelled. My views on the rallies are very much in line with most on here - I want a national event with minimal H&S OTT interferance. plus I am on side that Struts should not be out of pocket if they organise regionals, and believe there should be an LAA presence at those regional events - albeit organised locally rather than have the expense of staff attendance. The sorry fact is that many Struts do not want to get involved in helping man a stand at regional events.
This year's LAA EC/HQ response to regionals has been unacceptable, in my view. We should have ensured that there was an LAA attendance at all three events, one way or another. EC members Mike Barnard, Barry Plumb and myself attended Dunkeswell but I was at the RSA rally when the Popham regional was on and on holiday in Ireland when the Sherburn event was on, otherwise I would have attended both and tried to get the stand there. I hope we can make a quick decision on a rally for 2010 and offer some 'safety net' support for Strut organised regionals as well. EC and HQ event report card for 2009 - must try harder.

Alan Kilbride · Post by **Alan Kilbride** » Mon Aug 10, 2009 6:19 pm

Fair enough Brian. It does seem that a National Rally is wanted and I think needed if we are to retain and attract members.
My thoughts on the Sherburn Rally were that 1 flag and a banner across a fence didn't constitute much.Sherburn did a decent job.
Stuart Mac did make himself know to me as I am sure he tried to do with a lot of unfamiliar faces. So well done him.
If the weather does play along I will try to attend the meeting on Friday although with limited input as I have no idea of the agenda and protocols as yet. At least it may add to my education. I won't be driving down as that's my job and I know Friday roads and roadworks. Three hours parked on the M1 getting paid is better than 3 not getting paid in my view. I also need some more flying time south of civilisation.(About Newark I reckon)

rogcal · Post by **rogcal** » Mon Aug 10, 2009 9:23 pm

I went to Sherburn on Saturday and thoroughly enjoyed myself.

Looked at some aircraft.

Spoke to people I knew and some I met for the first time.

Talked about things we had in common and shared problems we had with our aircraft.

The sun was shining

I didn't give a stuff that there was only one trade stand or that the only LAA presence was a flag.

Did anyone else go with the intention of enjoying themselves, come what may?

Would be nice to hear from them and read something else other than this constant moaning.

No offence intended!

Ian L · Post by **Ian L** » Tue Aug 11, 2009 12:51 pm

Roger
I went to Sherburn to enjoy myself and support a LAA event.

I was marshalling and had a whale of a time, the folks at Sherburn could not have been more welcoming.

There was some publicity information for the LAA scattered in the clubhouse I noticed.

The sun shone, Nigel was lurking about taking photos of everything in sight, all who came had big smiles and I met up with some old friends; it was reminisent of the Rallies of old....

macconnacher · Post by **macconnacher** » Tue Aug 11, 2009 9:44 pm

As another that went to Sherburn and camped for two nights It was a great event that could do with more support.
For the record there were two flags and one banner since I collected them from Turweston on Friday. We took up a couple of boxes of LAA Today and some LAA postcards which were available on the booking in desk and in the Clubhouse.

Make a note to come next year.

I took about 176 pictures some of which I will upload over the next week.

If you were there you would have seen the Lynden Aurora -never heard of it then click http://www.laa-archive.org.uk/photo/1001283/

Nigel Hitchman · Post by **Nigel Hitchman** » Wed Aug 12, 2009 11:10 am

I went to Sherburn on Saturday and had a great time. Well organised, but not over organised, reasonable food and drink available at reasonable prices, but most important lots of friends to meet up with around the aircraft park and chat with and lots of interesting aircraft to see.
Only disappointment was that given the excellent weather, I was hoping for even more visiting aircraft, a few made it from N Ireland, but not so many from the north of England, more seemed to be familiar aircraft from the midlands and south!
personally I dont care if there is any exhibitors, although some are interesting and Im not interested in HQ being there when its going to cost us. Far better for local struts to provide the LAA presence and some info for non members, great if some EC members happen to be there in their own time attending the fly-in primarily for the fun of it, after all presumably most are members because the like flying and going to fly-ins, thats what the LAA is all about!

As for regional rallys, weve always had them as strut fly-ins some beter than others, lets keep it that way, but what we really need is a national rally! A focal point for everyone to fly into and meet up with their friends look at their aircraft and have a good time.

Looking forward to Hucknal Robin hood fly-in on Saturday and Popham Help for heros fly-in on Sunday, see you there!

Nigel Ramsay · Post by **Nigel Ramsay** » Wed Aug 12, 2009 3:21 pm

Stuart, sorry for a brief thread drift here; I tried to access the photo via your link and got this message

* Your Username not alphanumeric.
Your Username can only contain the letters a-z, A-Z or 0-9, no spaces or any other characters can be used

Now this has happened to me before. Needless to say, I'm logged in as a member to be able to reply to this!

Any ideas?

PS I accessed this area direct from the homepage with no trouble, however once on the photo page, I was informed that I wasn't logged on as a member. When I tried from there I got the same error message.

I'm guessing this is a hangover from when there wasn't the anonymity thing, that simply hasn't been fixed at this level.

Chris B · Post by **Chris B** » Thu Aug 13, 2009 10:11 am

Hi Nigel,

An old chestnut!

Check this thread from earlier in the year. Basically, you need to register.

http://www.lightaircraftassociation.co. ... .php?t=755

Extract of thread courtesy of Will Greenwood:

"Ok here we go, firstly go to the LAA Photo page, where it say's "click here to log in" do so. Do not put your BB username or password in. Look below the log in and it say "click here if you are having trouble" etc, click on this.
Fill in the details with your LAA number etc and change the problem column to "have never received welcome message" and then send. You will then receive a message from info@laa. Follow the instructions with new password and e-mail. Click begin registration, and here you can change your profile to your existing BB username and your BB password.
It worked for me, hope it helps, tip open 2 windows so you can cross reference the instructions above and follow them. Will"

Regards,

Chris

Nigel Ramsay · Post by **Nigel Ramsay** » Thu Aug 13, 2009 10:56 am

Thanks Chris. Stuart did send me a PM about this, but, if one is already logged on to the LAA BB, simply accessing the Photo Library from the home page button, lets you straight in. The trick is then NOT to react to the message that you need to log on from the photo Library page (you are already able to view the photos).

It's clicking on the link within the message that leads you down the path of unrightiousness!

macconnacher · Post by **macconnacher** » Thu Aug 13, 2009 2:59 pm

I have just sent a PM to Nigel.

There is one problem I am not sure whether you can have a username for thr forum that consists of two words with a space e.g. Nigel Ramsey or Chris B the photo site would not accept them the username has to be a single word such as ChrisB or NigelRamsey. Sorry chaps but that is the way it works.

The initial site is available to all(even non members) with members allowed to look at specific images with full data and full screen images.

There was a suggestion at the NC that we should open full access to the libary to all without having a member section and passwords. That needs some consideration since it will cost to remove the provisions which we added and paid for at the insistance of the EC. Also other data that the site could be extended to might be more members only and removing member only staus from some of the site might inhibit future developments.

Brian Hope · Post by **Brian Hope** » Thu Aug 13, 2009 4:48 pm

Stuart, I totally support the current system where members only have access to the full size images and data. The idea of a members section is to provide added benefit to members, it is a commercial decision as much as anything else. Providing freebies to non members doesn't pay the bills, and sadly, I do not believe it makes them want to join either.

steveneale · Post by **steveneale** » Thu Aug 13, 2009 9:27 pm

It was a recommendation (and the Marketing SC chairman agreed) of Aug 1st NC that full access to the photo library should be available to anyone. The reasoning was that people will not (have not) joined to get access to the big images but would view them if free. Viewing produces website hits that have a perceived value and may attract advertising. Seems a pragmatic move to me and reflects the reality of the internet.

Steve

Brian Hope · Post by **Brian Hope** » Fri Aug 14, 2009 5:40 am

Steve, that argument is flawed I'm afraid. You cannot take individual member benefits and argue that because they in themselves cannot be shown to be a major member generator, that they should be given away for free. Taking that to the extreme, you could say that because not all people will want or need engineering services, we should offer them free. Fact is a member only section is a package of benefits that adds value to being a member, chip them away one by one and the membership value is diminished.

steveneale · Post by **steveneale** » Fri Aug 14, 2009 8:32 am

With respect, it may appear flawed to you but not to the vast majority around the table at the meeting including 4 EC members. It is what the National Council believes would be best for the association.

Steve