Weekend 5/6 May: Help required again to practice and work the various people and processes for flight plans for VFR traffic during the Olympics, please.
Details here: http://olympics.airspacesafety.com/medi ... _day_2.pdf
My very brief summary follows, but lots of details that you would need are on the pdf:
Flight plans for the flight including addressing EGGOLYMP encouraged from anyone actually flying VFR in what will be the R112 restricted zone from Saturday morning to Sunday evening, 5th/6th May. (R112 zone boundary is more or less that of the 3500' boundary line for the LTMA). Acceptance codes will be passed, and can be used if flight actually takes place. For anyone not actually flying, but has routes they usually do in that area, flight plans also encouraged addressed just to EGGOLYMP even if not actually flown.
Olympics "File A Flt Pln Practice Weekend" 5/6 May
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Just to remind you this event is for the weekend coming, and SkyDemonLight are on board to help you file any test plans easily with their graphical interface.
Please note if you wanted a genuine, fully addressed, flight plan as you would be flying into the wilds of some mountains or over water this weekend, then SkyDemonLight will ONLY be submitting plans to the Olympics address EGGOLYMP as part of the test, so you would not get a fully functioning flight plan using SDL, but it is perfectly good for the test weekend purposes.
Please note if you wanted a genuine, fully addressed, flight plan as you would be flying into the wilds of some mountains or over water this weekend, then SkyDemonLight will ONLY be submitting plans to the Olympics address EGGOLYMP as part of the test, so you would not get a fully functioning flight plan using SDL, but it is perfectly good for the test weekend purposes.
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Reports from ATLAS on the two days, with thanks, and figures:
http://olympics.airspacesafety.com/news
http://olympics.airspacesafety.com/news
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Re: Olympics "File A Flt Pln Practice Weekend" 5/6 May
Can't quite trust the CAA, but today they issued a Notice which changes the Olympics CAS from 14th to the 16th Juy. Neatly granting those of us without transponders & thus unable to fly another two days = the full week-end after next which hitherto I'd written off.
[I've dropped a similar note on the equiv. BMAA forum for Irv Lee, who may know better if it's a late CAA April Fools joke.]
mike hallam.
[I've dropped a similar note on the equiv. BMAA forum for Irv Lee, who may know better if it's a late CAA April Fools joke.]
mike hallam.
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Re: Olympics "File A Flt Pln Practice Weekend" 5/6 May
errrr... no ... not at all.mikehallam wrote:Can't quite trust the CAA, but today they issued a Notice which changes the Olympics CAS from 14th to the 16th Juy. Neatly granting those of us without transponders & thus unable to fly another two days = the full week-end after next which hitherto I'd written off.
[I've dropped a similar note on the equiv. BMAA forum for Irv Lee, who may know better if it's a late CAA April Fools joke.]
mike hallam.
The extra Controlled Airspace (CTRs, CTAs) for the Olympics was never starting on July 14th, the restricted and prohibited areas and Weymouth were always July 14th and still are (midnight local time, they are actually 2300 UTC on the 13th), controlled airspace was always 16th July and still is. What has happened is that the activation times of the CAS have now been tweaked to fit with each unit but are STILL on the 16th. So for example, the Solent extension start when Solent wakes up on the 16th.
If people start believing from your post that they can fly for that first weekend inside R112 without R112 rules applying, you're going to get them into an awful lot of trouble. It's simply NOT true. R112 rules start at 2300UTC on July 13th, midnight local on July 14th.
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Re: Olympics "File A Flt Pln Practice Weekend" 5/6 May
Of course Irv,
Perhaps you should take a squint at today's Pprune and add your balm, that notice has mis-led folk over there too. In fact there may be a whole gang of mis advised pilots out there, [u]not[/u] on these forums !
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Perhaps you should take a squint at today's Pprune and add your balm, that notice has mis-led folk over there too. In fact there may be a whole gang of mis advised pilots out there, [u]not[/u] on these forums !
mike hallam.
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Re: Olympics "File A Flt Pln Practice Weekend" 5/6 May
PPRUNE: 2 hours after your post here, one person posts something similar on PPRUNE?
They seem to have dealt with it though.
Let's spell it out, in case anyone is in any doubt:
R112 is a legal restriction of flying and hits an awful lot of Class G encircling the London area, but it doesn't make it controlled airspace, but it makes flying within it 'restricted' and subject to extra rules, and is still planned from 2300UTC on July 13th, and always has been. In normal times, having a restriction of flying for say an hour for a Red Arrows display doesn't make any Class G into controlled airspace, it simply puts a restriction of flying onto the Class G. Separately, CAS (controlled airspace) is airspace of any one of the classes A-E, and temporary CAS, called CAS(T) is planned in various places, inside and outside R112, some will be class D, some will be class A, and it starts from July 16th, as it always was going to.
I think if false rumours like this appear and there's any danger of them spreading as 'fact', it's just giving ammunition to anyone who thinks the arrangements we have now are too liberal! The situation we have now is near to the best we could have, thanks to a lot of work by unseen people, and if pilots "get confused", or "don't understand it", or just mix half of one rule with half of another to make a third that is incorrect, and the result is that it becomes clear in mid July that the current arrangement isn't working, there is nothing to stop the current arrangements changing significantly and quickly, and I'd bet it wouldn't be to make it easier to fly.
They seem to have dealt with it though.
Let's spell it out, in case anyone is in any doubt:
R112 is a legal restriction of flying and hits an awful lot of Class G encircling the London area, but it doesn't make it controlled airspace, but it makes flying within it 'restricted' and subject to extra rules, and is still planned from 2300UTC on July 13th, and always has been. In normal times, having a restriction of flying for say an hour for a Red Arrows display doesn't make any Class G into controlled airspace, it simply puts a restriction of flying onto the Class G. Separately, CAS (controlled airspace) is airspace of any one of the classes A-E, and temporary CAS, called CAS(T) is planned in various places, inside and outside R112, some will be class D, some will be class A, and it starts from July 16th, as it always was going to.
I think if false rumours like this appear and there's any danger of them spreading as 'fact', it's just giving ammunition to anyone who thinks the arrangements we have now are too liberal! The situation we have now is near to the best we could have, thanks to a lot of work by unseen people, and if pilots "get confused", or "don't understand it", or just mix half of one rule with half of another to make a third that is incorrect, and the result is that it becomes clear in mid July that the current arrangement isn't working, there is nothing to stop the current arrangements changing significantly and quickly, and I'd bet it wouldn't be to make it easier to fly.