PPL with Medical Delaration

Cookie · Post by **Cookie** » Fri Oct 01, 2010 1:44 pm

As there appears to be significant confusion about PPLs with Medical Delaration, I have produced a flow chart in an attempt to make the information easier to understand. The information on the LAA website has also been updated.

A list of links to the relevant documents:

Link to Flow Chart
http://www.lightaircraftassociation.co. ... ecFlow.pdf

Amended LAA Article
http://www.lightaircraftassociation.co. ... dical.html

Sample SRG1119
http://www.lightaircraftassociation.co. ... RG1119.pdf

ORS4 No.816
http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/ORS4_816.pdf

I hope this helps.

Regards,

Cookie

John Brady · Post by **John Brady** » Tue Oct 05, 2010 8:09 pm

I have just been told by the CAA that, subject to confirmation on Friday, they will make an immediate charge of £84 for the addition of an SSEA rating to a licence even if you have to do it to comply with the new rule on PPL medical declarations which Jon explained in the previous post.

I suggest you sit tight until the week-end and we will then see if this is resolved.

John

Joe Iszard · Post by **Joe Iszard** » Tue Oct 05, 2010 8:54 pm

I'm getting a bit fed up with the goings on of the CAA. I have applied to have an SSEA added to my lifetime licence which I was informed by the LAA office would be free, now we are talking about £84.

My first licence was a 'D' which gave me the OK to fly microlights and motor gliders, then I obtained my 'A' licence so that allowed me to fly up to 5700kg aeroplanes. So whats changed? I know! lets think up as many acronyms as possible and charge to have them added to licences, that's should bring in some money.

Will that make me a better pilot. Why pay £84 to the CAA when that's half of what I could pay the AME and get a class 2, Or am I being forced into relinquishing my life time licence for an NPPL.

Soon be time for me to retire from flying.

jimsmall · Post by **jimsmall** » Wed Oct 06, 2010 1:58 pm

So what happens if like me you have paid out £130 for a separate NPPL licence, my non expiring PPL has a SEP rating and my non expiring NPPL has a SSEA rating.

When I revalidated i was using a medical declaration so my revalidation is for an SSEA.

As I wished to fly in France this year I obtained a Class 2 medical and assumed I was now flying under the PPL priviledges even though I also have a valid medical declaration.

Questions.

Has my SEP rating now lapsed?

Am I required to take a skills test to regain my SEP rating although the aircraft is the same aircraft I revalidated in (RV7)?

Next time I revalidate can my examiner revalidate both my SEP and SSEA ratings at the same time?

Seems to me this is just jobs for the boys!!

J.C. · Post by **J.C.** » Wed Oct 06, 2010 2:37 pm

Don't worry about a thing, if you manage to sort to sort out the correct flavour of licence with the right medical , easa will just come up with something else to stop you flying.

I never was any good at football as a kid and never managed to score a goal. If the EU moves the goalposts around on football pitches as much as airfields then that's another hobby out of the window.

BUT for a moment just imagine the outcry if they did! the shear volume of fans would make sure it never happened.

We need to join ranks and kick easa into touch for once and all.

The word for today is "non" ( spoken in a French accent ).

Steve Brown · Post by **Steve Brown** » Wed Oct 06, 2010 4:43 pm

JC - If they moved the goalposts, with your footy record, your chances of scoring may actually increase!!!!........

Jeepers Creepers - how did we get to this state.

I'm not thick but really I'm beginning to lose the picture here - bit like flying in cloud and losing your spatial awareness.

I guess the only saving grace may be that if the CAA prosecute you for accidental expiry or flying the wrong a/c category, non-medical compliance or something like that - it may be best to take the case to Crown court and see whether the jury and the judge understand all these acronyms, varying periods of validity, authorisations, etc etc etc.

Surely someone at the CAA could look at the ANO and see whether this could all be simplified.

Boy, do I look fondly back to my early flying with a lifetime PPL with a 5hrs every 13 months validity requirement and a 5 yearly medical.

At times it makes me want to give up.

merlin · Post by **merlin** » Wed Oct 06, 2010 8:59 pm

It is becoming so difficult to ensure that all bases are covered I do wonder how many will cease to try to conform even if they are aware of the existence of the maze let alone the way through it and just fly.

John Brady · Post by **John Brady** » Thu Oct 07, 2010 9:59 am

Jim,

to answer your points in turn:

Has my SEP rating now lapsed? - If you do not have a current SEP rating revalidation on your licence - Yes.

Am I required to take a skills test to regain my SEP rating although the aircraft is the same aircraft I revalidated in (RV7)?. - Yes

Next time I revalidate can my examiner revalidate both my SEP and SSEA ratings at the same time? - Yes provided it is the SEP rating you are renewing in which case you will need a current class 2 medical.

Seems to me this is just jobs for the boys!! :cry - Yes

Note that in order to take a skills test the ANO says the aircraft must have a public transport CofA. However the CAA have issued an exemption allowing you to take the test on a permit aircraft provided the subject and examiner are both members of a flying club under whose arrangements the aircraft is operated. You can see the exemption here

The LAA is a registered training facility through its pilot coaching scheme so any LAA coach who is an examiner can conduct your test on your RV and be entirely legal because you are both members of the LAA. This was all set up by Jon Cooke, chairman of the coaching scheme, to cater for situations such as yours. Hurrah.

John

jimsmall · Post by **jimsmall** » Wed Oct 13, 2010 8:48 am

Thanks for the reply John much appreciated,

This really is getting a little silly, I am flying the same aircraft that I have done for the last 4 years (same type for the past 12 years) but I have lost my SEP rating to fly this aircraft even though I have a class 2 medical because I chose to use my NPPL priviledges for cost and convenience reasons last time I revalidated.

In order that I may fly this aircraft again using my SEP rating I need to take a skills test.

However

I can fly same aircraft without any requirement to take a skills test as I have a separate NPPL Licence with a medical declaration and a current SSEA validation.

Now

When I have gone through the ritual in the future to revalidated both my ratings, will I need an SEP hat and as SSEA hat in order that I may log the necessary flight time against each rating in order to meet the requirements of currency for revalidation? Presumably so.

Maybe the CAA will be kind enough to invent a dual logbook to make my task easier, It may even bring in some revenue or even create a few jobs, hey, maybe I should apply, surely you don't need to be too bright.

In the mean time I think I am loosing the plot!!

John Brady · Post by **John Brady** » Fri Oct 15, 2010 8:07 pm

New and revised update based on advice from the CAA is available through the link on the homepage.

John

John Brady · Post by **John Brady** » Fri Oct 15, 2010 10:08 pm

Irv Lee points out that if you allow your current rating to expire before you take action to obtain a new rating or an NPPL, you will need to take a skills test for each new rating.

The important message is to review your situation and take action well before your current rating or licence expires.

John