what's in the pipeline
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what's in the pipeline
Now Austers and many Jodels are moving to LAA permit what other venerable aircraft are scheduled to follow and in what timeframe?
ThanksMark A wrote:You may be interested in this.
Interesting document - Do I read correctly that amongst others we can expect to see the following on LAA permits soon ?:
Stampes, Falcos (factory), Tiger Moths, most other Moths, Chipmunks, Bulldogs, Stearman, Great Lakes, Super Cubs and Tri-Pacers ?
Some serious heritage here and great additions to the LAA fleet.
Does anyone know what leadtime is?
Remember that the deHavilland aircraft are 'looked after' by the club - who were pretty much forced / encouraged to be TC holders IIRC with some help from BAe so they could divest themselves of the need for continuing support.
Remember the situation with Auster where there patently was not a TC capability for many years but the CAA valiantly insisted there was - before being forced to assume the roll.
Apex certainly have the technical capability and I'm sure if you show up at the factory they can / will build the necessary parts - they might even sell you the drawings to make your own, subjec to some technical restrictions.
An intriging situation exists with many of the older American types - do short wing Pipers have a genuine TC holder? ditto C120/140/160/165 etc. I guess as people start working through the issues many more will come to mind - how about Pa12/14? Whilst many of these machine have good 'owners clubs' most are not in a position to meet EASA TC requirements.....
So I guess we may see further types moving to Annex II - but it will take time, and probably some technical issues to bring things to the fore.
Remember the situation with Auster where there patently was not a TC capability for many years but the CAA valiantly insisted there was - before being forced to assume the roll.
Apex certainly have the technical capability and I'm sure if you show up at the factory they can / will build the necessary parts - they might even sell you the drawings to make your own, subjec to some technical restrictions.
An intriging situation exists with many of the older American types - do short wing Pipers have a genuine TC holder? ditto C120/140/160/165 etc. I guess as people start working through the issues many more will come to mind - how about Pa12/14? Whilst many of these machine have good 'owners clubs' most are not in a position to meet EASA TC requirements.....
So I guess we may see further types moving to Annex II - but it will take time, and probably some technical issues to bring things to the fore.
My understanding (and I expect to be at least partially corrected!) is that Annex II simpy means the aircraft is not eligable for an EASA C of A. It reverts to the national authority.
The national authority then decides whether a TC or other arrangement is appropriate. The CAA have he ready made alternative of the LAA permit or CAA permit and so have been fairly quick off the mark.
Ditti DGAC - at least for French built aircraft. But it is down to the national authority to include the aircraft in Annex II and then organise things. I suspect this is why the Pipers and others are presently where they are. The Germans have alot of old Pipers, but they have been faitly relaxed about PMA parts, STC'd mods and their own mods were reasonably easy to get. So the old German Pipers happily sit on a C of A with no problems - because they was not a real need for the activities that a TC provides.
Now when someone tries to do an 'EASA' typer mod it will be interesting - or maybe not aybe the LBA will carry on as they have in the past???
The national authority then decides whether a TC or other arrangement is appropriate. The CAA have he ready made alternative of the LAA permit or CAA permit and so have been fairly quick off the mark.
Ditti DGAC - at least for French built aircraft. But it is down to the national authority to include the aircraft in Annex II and then organise things. I suspect this is why the Pipers and others are presently where they are. The Germans have alot of old Pipers, but they have been faitly relaxed about PMA parts, STC'd mods and their own mods were reasonably easy to get. So the old German Pipers happily sit on a C of A with no problems - because they was not a real need for the activities that a TC provides.
Now when someone tries to do an 'EASA' typer mod it will be interesting - or maybe not aybe the LBA will carry on as they have in the past???