Warning for permit planes flying to Channel Islands

bill king · Post by **bill king** » Sun Oct 19, 2008 4:43 pm

As the Channel Islands are different to the rest of England, so their rules for permit planes are different. Having been turned back mid-channel by refusal of landing permission in Guernsey, I discovered belatedly that permit planes are officially obliged to fax their paperwork to ATC well in advance of their flight. Only when it had been approved by the senior whoever (who only works 9-5 M-F) can your flight be officially allowed. My ignorance (although no excuse) was encouraged by the fact that I had flown to Alderney a couple of times before without a problem. Perhaps I had been lucky on those occasions.

Rod1 · Post by **Rod1** » Sun Oct 19, 2008 6:39 pm

The CI has had this rule for as long as I can remember. Most states signed up to the 1980’s agreement, but not all, there is a full list on the LAA web site.

Rod1

Edited to add, is there any plan to lean on the CI and get our sort of aviation accepted without this discrimination?

Brian Hope · Post by **Brian Hope** » Sun Oct 19, 2008 8:20 pm

This situation actually came to light about five years ago when a CI resident PFA member applied to flight test his completed homebuilt. An eagle eyed bureaucrat unearthed the fact that UK permit aircraft were not cleared to fly in CI airspace as it is not part of the United Kingdom. CI in fact has its own version of the ANO and at the time said it would update it to include permit aircraft. Maybe it is time the issue was raised again to try and get it resolved.

macconnacher · Post by **macconnacher** » Sun Oct 19, 2008 10:22 pm

I have also been told that the Isle of Man do not allow homebuilt aircraft which is odd since a couple have been based there over the years. Would this mean that we would not have any M- registered homebuilts.

If the CI are the same and they are contemplating their own civil register we may not see CI reregistered homebuilts unless we take some action.

Post by **John Dean** » Sun Oct 19, 2008 10:40 pm

I understood the IOM had changed its ANO allowing UK permit aircraft to fly in their airspace. However, the Manx ANO says:-

10.—(1) The Department shall issue in respect of any aircraft registered elsewhere than in the
Isle of Man a certificate of validation if it is satisfied that there is in respect of the aircraft a permit
to fly or equivalent document issued or validated by the competent authority of the country in
which the aircraft is registered which applies standards which are substantially equivalent to those
required for the issue of a permit to fly by the Department.

So perhaps not although I suspect I may be missing something.

Rod1 · Post by **Rod1** » Mon Oct 20, 2008 10:58 am

Brian,

That is interesting! I first found out about it when I was based there for a few weeks in 1991. It would be good if we could get the restriction removed though.

Rod1

macconnacher · Post by **macconnacher** » Mon Oct 20, 2008 4:40 pm

John

My reading is that the Manx authorities could issue their own Permits and would probably give you a validation for a visit. However an LAA member living on the Island could build an aircraft with a UK registration test fly it in the UK using a UK address and then possibly keep it on the island once it had a full permit.
However that member building an homebuilt on the island would have to apply for a Manx permit and I suspect they have no mechanism for their issue. LAA I guess have no agreement with the Manx authorities to prepare a Manx permit. Thus I suspect that all the non UK parts of what we consider our country have the same problem.